Vc 460

raydhd · 07-24-2018, 03:05 PM

No the 4.410 was way short . Russell said the forged piston designed for the longer VC rod. VC had forged pistons WAY before they came out with the long rod. To me and I am not a pro builder, it looks like bullfrog with their 92.5 mm piston is the one with the right deck height .Alas that would require a .010 over bore on the block.But he correctly states that the ARC rod in the 460 requires a deck height of 1.100. BUT what I can say is with the unmilled VC 92 mm cast piston the deck height is spot on. The ARC rod itself is date etched 7/3/14. I bought it on a black friday sale from VC way before the long rod existed and was planning on using the cast piston is why I didn't buy the matching Ross at the time. He hesitates sometimes doesn't get the parts of his dreams.P.S. The piston I was sent had a compression height of .900 which would match up with the bullfrog 4.610 rod for the 460 listed on his site.

Shepard · 07-24-2018, 06:27 PM

Using the rod you have and the piston you have -- how much of it comes above the block? Is it possible to cut the top of the piston down? I figured if the long rod wasn't right -- it had to be the shorter one, sorry.

raydhd · 07-24-2018, 07:01 PM

It was short of the deck by about 0.200. Sent back to NR. If I am right there are going to be a lot of people that will be sending pistons back. I have a feeling I was the first one to look at this new batch of pistons.

Shepard · 07-24-2018, 07:58 PM

I'll most likely be the second. If there .200 short you'd need a rod 4.710 for them to be flush.

raydhd · 07-24-2018, 08:22 PM

I figure 4.610 which bullfrog sells for $225 ON SALE. WAY too rich for my blood. AH Both carts are running good. A couple of days of work in the city.The next thing you its friday again.

Shepard · 07-25-2018, 06:09 PM

This rain is like a Hoover -- it sucks. I hope your not flooding. My stream by the house is running LOUD.

raydhd · 07-25-2018, 07:07 PM

We had heavy rain saturday but only sprinkles after that. Another city day tomorrow so no play for Ray

raydhd · 07-28-2018, 08:18 PM

I just noticed today that I have 625 hours on my G 14 since buying it in 2008 and 265 hours on my VC 460 since its swap in late oct 2014. Time flies when you are having fun. P.S. Searching for how to wire up the VC 460 led me to BGW. P.S. My EXP-S carb acts like FI. I just turn the key and VROOM. Hot cold it just starts. No pumping the pedal or fluttering the throttle as before just VROOM. Nice just really nice. This thing runs so good I wonder WHY do I pursue the Omega motor idea ?

BrutalSoldier · 08-01-2018, 02:56 PM

Hey sorry to pop in on your thread but I don't know how to put pics in a PM.
I am starting to tear into my 460 to see what could be wrong with it. I remember someone saying something about timing. I took this pic at TDC. Seems the magnet is past the coil at this point but I know nothing about how and when it actually fires the plug. Any help is appreciated. I am just trying to get some idea before I take it all apart.
20180801_124255.jpg

raydhd · 08-01-2018, 05:07 PM

There is a certain amount of advance built into the system. I don't know if you have an advance timing key either. But in any situation if the key is intact your timing should be fine. There were some people with the offset key shearing them but unless the timing didn't move much I doubt the engine would run. P.S. My Vc 460 thread is for any clone users needing any sort of help here on BGW.

07-24-2018, 03:05 PM	#811
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 No the 4.410 was way short . Russell said the forged piston designed for the longer VC rod. VC had forged pistons WAY before they came out with the long rod. To me and I am not a pro builder, it looks like bullfrog with their 92.5 mm piston is the one with the right deck height .Alas that would require a .010 over bore on the block.But he correctly states that the ARC rod in the 460 requires a deck height of 1.100. BUT what I can say is with the unmilled VC 92 mm cast piston the deck height is spot on. The ARC rod itself is date etched 7/3/14. I bought it on a black friday sale from VC way before the long rod existed and was planning on using the cast piston is why I didn't buy the matching Ross at the time. He hesitates sometimes doesn't get the parts of his dreams.P.S. The piston I was sent had a compression height of .900 which would match up with the bullfrog 4.610 rod for the 460 listed on his site.

07-24-2018, 06:27 PM	#812
Shepard Crazy Ole Man Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Owego NY Posts: 2,758	Re: Vc 460 Using the rod you have and the piston you have -- how much of it comes above the block? Is it possible to cut the top of the piston down? I figured if the long rod wasn't right -- it had to be the shorter one, sorry.

07-24-2018, 07:01 PM	#813
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 It was short of the deck by about 0.200. Sent back to NR. If I am right there are going to be a lot of people that will be sending pistons back. I have a feeling I was the first one to look at this new batch of pistons.

07-24-2018, 07:58 PM	#814
Shepard Crazy Ole Man Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Owego NY Posts: 2,758	Re: Vc 460 I'll most likely be the second. If there .200 short you'd need a rod 4.710 for them to be flush.

07-24-2018, 08:22 PM	#815
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 I figure 4.610 which bullfrog sells for $225 ON SALE. WAY too rich for my blood. AH Both carts are running good. A couple of days of work in the city.The next thing you its friday again.

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07-25-2018, 06:09 PM	#816
Shepard Crazy Ole Man Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Owego NY Posts: 2,758	Re: Vc 460 This rain is like a Hoover -- it sucks. I hope your not flooding. My stream by the house is running LOUD.

07-25-2018, 07:07 PM	#817
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 We had heavy rain saturday but only sprinkles after that. Another city day tomorrow so no play for Ray

07-28-2018, 08:18 PM	#818
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 I just noticed today that I have 625 hours on my G 14 since buying it in 2008 and 265 hours on my VC 460 since its swap in late oct 2014. Time flies when you are having fun. P.S. Searching for how to wire up the VC 460 led me to BGW. P.S. My EXP-S carb acts like FI. I just turn the key and VROOM. Hot cold it just starts. No pumping the pedal or fluttering the throttle as before just VROOM. Nice just really nice. This thing runs so good I wonder WHY do I pursue the Omega motor idea ?

08-01-2018, 02:56 PM	#819
BrutalSoldier Addictive Personality Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Rio Linda, Ca. Posts: 1,289	Re: Vc 460 Hey sorry to pop in on your thread but I don't know how to put pics in a PM. I am starting to tear into my 460 to see what could be wrong with it. I remember someone saying something about timing. I took this pic at TDC. Seems the magnet is past the coil at this point but I know nothing about how and when it actually fires the plug. Any help is appreciated. I am just trying to get some idea before I take it all apart. 20180801_124255.jpg

08-01-2018, 05:07 PM	#820
raydhd VC 460 CLONE GONE WILD Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Ray BY The Bay NJ Posts: 10,633	Re: Vc 460 There is a certain amount of advance built into the system. I don't know if you have an advance timing key either. But in any situation if the key is intact your timing should be fine. There were some people with the offset key shearing them but unless the timing didn't move much I doubt the engine would run. P.S. My Vc 460 thread is for any clone users needing any sort of help here on BGW.

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