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Old 10-19-2020, 11:07 PM   #11
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Do the air pressure thing first. Not both.
I thought about that, and tested the cart as best I could in the 'hood tonight with just the tires adjusted. I'm not taking it back into the field with those HD springs though. No effing way.
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Old 10-20-2020, 02:23 PM   #12
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The rough ride is coming from the rear end, not the AS double A-arm. Yes, the LT will be smoother than the A-arm but you'll still have a rough ride due to the rear; just the nature of the beast. That's why I built a 4-link with coilovers.
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Old 10-20-2020, 03:06 PM   #13
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The rough ride is coming from the rear end, not the AS double A-arm. Yes, the LT will be smoother than the A-arm but you'll still have a rough ride due to the rear; just the nature of the beast. That's why I built a 4-link with coilovers.
Glad to hear that. Would hate to think I'd beed duped into buying something that actually HURT the ride. I'm looking forward to crawling under the cart tonight to put new (old) springs on.

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Old 10-20-2020, 05:02 PM   #14
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Hey Hog I was just busting your chops a little man. You'll get it sorted. Those HD rear springs are usually killers, and yes, they do ride harsher than stock springs. Once you put weight on them they do ok, but with just one person in the cart the HD springs will ride like crap. Every cart I've ridden with HD springs has a harsh ride, no matter the brand. Now the Dual Action springs....that might be a different animal.

I've found that 6 ply tires are able to be used at pressured down to 5 psi. The only time you'd have a risk of coming off a rim would be deep stick mud, or severe off camber driving like on a hillside, where the sidewall of the tire flexes alot. If you keep the weight down (loaded weight) that will allow you to run lower pressures. When you need more capacity, just air them up.

Usually retailers and people trying to sell you something will say just about anything to get the sale. In person selling....that's a different story. But over the phone, internet, yep they'll say "It's easy" or "Sure it'll fit". I've seen in many times. Don't hold it against them, they're just trying to make a living. We, as consumers, need to educate ourselves so we can "talk the talk" with sales personnel. We can't just assume these people always have our best interests in mind. My mentor use to say "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king."
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Old 10-20-2020, 05:25 PM   #15
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Had a guy who said he wanted the 4 leaf HD springs because he'd added a backseat. Tried to steer him to the Dual Actions, but he insisted. Once they were on, myself (about 250#) and my shop helper at the time (300#+) both stood on the rear footboard and it didn't even budge. I suppose they might be just the thing if you had a good size utility box and regularly carried a load of gravel or something.
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Old 10-21-2020, 01:30 PM   #16
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Hey Hog I was just busting your chops a little man. You'll get it sorted. Those HD rear springs are usually killers, and yes, they do ride harsher than stock springs. Once you put weight on them they do ok, but with just one person in the cart the HD springs will ride like crap. Every cart I've ridden with HD springs has a harsh ride, no matter the brand. Now the Dual Action springs....that might be a different animal.

I've found that 6 ply tires are able to be used at pressured down to 5 psi. The only time you'd have a risk of coming off a rim would be deep stick mud, or severe off camber driving like on a hillside, where the sidewall of the tire flexes alot. If you keep the weight down (loaded weight) that will allow you to run lower pressures. When you need more capacity, just air them up.

Usually retailers and people trying to sell you something will say just about anything to get the sale. In person selling....that's a different story. But over the phone, internet, yep they'll say "It's easy" or "Sure it'll fit". I've seen in many times. Don't hold it against them, they're just trying to make a living. We, as consumers, need to educate ourselves so we can "talk the talk" with sales personnel. We can't just assume these people always have our best interests in mind. My mentor use to say "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king."
Understood 110%. Keep dishing it out—I can take it. I'm just a guy who doesn't have a lot of spare time, so I don't like when someone wastes it. I've said this many times before: I'm so new to golf carts that I don't know what I don't know.

Cart is aired down to 10psi and stock rear leaf spring is back on. I will give it a spin on a hunt hopefully this weekend. In the 'hood, it drives fine (but it also drove fine in the 'hood with 25psi and the HD springs).

I may venture down to 5psi at some point, but busting a tire off a rim would really throw a wrench in my gears, no pun intended.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:08 PM   #17
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Having travel at the shackle is also important. I added the HD springs to a Precedent recently and noted that the shackle was farther back than it was with the standard springs, which of course would restrict the flex of the spring pack.
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Old 10-21-2020, 03:22 PM   #18
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Having travel at the shackle is also important. I added the HD springs to a Precedent recently and noted that the shackle was farther back than it was with the standard springs, which of course would restrict the flex of the spring pack.
Tell me more about that. Is the shackle different between the standard and the HD springs? Because I bought this cart with HDs and when I put standards on it last night, I didn't change the shackles. The standard springs seemed to go in fine.

Here's a pic of the spring setup as it was when I bought the cart.

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Old 10-21-2020, 03:28 PM   #19
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There's not much for me to tell, really, as I've only got experience with one cart so far with HD springs. The OEM springs were fairly flat, so when they compressed, they didn't expand as much and theoretically (I have not set up a camera to watch rear suspension geometry in motion) could even bend UP, pulling the shackle in. (AGAIN, I have zero idea if that happens or not, just talking in theories). Comparing the HD to OEM spring side by side though shows much more curvature on the HD spring, and the ones I ordered were a tad longer than the OEM springs in the first place. That extra length takes up some of the available rearward movement of the shackle. I have zero clue how much it will continue to move back under full load, but if it bottoms out, then the spring can't flex. I don't know where the thread is, but I did read a thread a couple of weeks ago or so where someone modified or made shackles to allow for more movement, and it smoothed out the ride some. Not sure if it was a DS or a Precedent though. My wife's '14 Precedent has different shackles than the '07 I worked on, which has shackles like yours. Again, theory here, YMMV.
Edit: your springs look flatter than the ones I put on mine
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Old 10-21-2020, 08:53 PM   #20
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Switching leaf springs should not require changing the shackles, you should be fine.

Those are the HD leafs alright! I'm not surprised that it rode terrible. Leaf springs don't usually ride all that great to begin with, and when you have the 4 leaf HD springs....no travel at all. I think you'll be much happier with the standard springs. The only time you'll want more spring is if you are hauling a deer or lots of gear etc.
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